Tuuba Mafia [MAFIA & LYNCHER WIN]

abraker · ^

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Brian OA wrote:

voting B1rd was the only funny thing left to do around here.

The only "funny" thing. Hey, the more you deny, the more "fun" I'm having with this.
Either way, I think we all agree that you brought this upon yourself. Whether your role required or not, fact remains it wasn't helping the town and got us more confused.

Vote: Brian OA

Brian OA · ^

That's actually pure fucking evil

Like, geez, just kill me already I don't even care for this town anymore

Brian OA · ^

No, fuck that. I was given a life and like hell I'm going to waste it

Brian OA · ^

The only "funny" thing. Hey, the more you deny, the more "fun" I'm having with this.

Don't compare yourself to B1rd.

I wouldn't have taken that to the extreme. Shit, it should have been apparent it was of a playful nature since Day 1. The "tbh fam" is really what gives it away, I think. But then he took it seriously. And so did everyone else. And now you're wondering why it was such a big deal.

It was a joke in a boring game full of people that were too jaded or self-interested to catch on. And if I'm going to die over that, then I don't mind. But if you're going to pin B1rd on me, I'm just going to calmly let you know that the real culprit will still be out there and you'll just have hit another dead end.

Either way, I think we all agree that you brought this upon yourself. Whether your role required or not, fact remains it wasn't helping the town and got us more confused.

Did enet help the town in any way? I mean, I know the rule of thumb is to basically kill anybody that isn't a robot around here, but that didn't exactly work out for you last time, now did it?

Can't you recognize the possibility that we're simply human and that we may commit actions that aren't necessarily geared towards self-preservation? Like, selflessness or entertainment, perhaps? To accept that, and just move on to an actually sensible discussion?

Brian OA · ^

Moreover, the fact that I behaved erratically should not be the crux of the issue. If it confused you, then it caused damage and I'll admit that. But that alone shouldn't be grounds for lynching.

ksg · ^

zertap wrote:

Well, after that discussion, ksg feels a lot less suspicious.

zertap wrote:

I guess I'll jump back to the now most suspicous feeling one.

Rrright, okay? How about providing some reasoning behind why you think I am more suspicious again?

Brian OA wrote:

words

Most of your arguments seem to just be for the sake of making arguments, instead of trying to make some sense out of this mess. If you want a "sensible discussion" how about contributing to creating one?

abraker · ^

Brian OA wrote:

No, fuck that. I was given a life and like hell I'm going to waste it

Wow! It took half hour to come to that. What's with the sudden change of mind?

Brian OA wrote:

Shit, it should have been apparent it was of a playful nature since Day 1. But if you're going to pin B1rd on me, I'm just going to calmly let you know that the real culprit will still be out there and you'll just have hit another dead end.

I, as much as you, are noobs at this thing. The first thing that comes to mind is that it has to do with a role. I'd call it "playful nature" with malicious intent. I honestly don't know how you can possibly prove that it really was innocent "playful nature" at this point.

Brian OA wrote:

Did enet help the town in any way? I mean, I know the rule of thumb is to basically kill anybody that isn't a robot around here, but that didn't exactly work out for you last time, now did it?
Can't you recognize the possibility that we're simply human and that we may commit actions that aren't necessarily geared towards self-preservation? Like, selflessness or entertainment, perhaps? To accept that, and just move on to an actually sensible discussion?

Have nothing to say against that. You're right.

Brian OA wrote:

Moreover, the fact that I behaved erratically should not be the crux of the issue. If it confused you, then it caused damage and I'll admit that. But that alone shouldn't be grounds for lynching.

Until I find a better candidate for a lynch, the rope will remain on you.

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Brian OA · ^

I'm sorry, I'm just surprised I'm being attacked over the same thing and I don't know if I'm just not being clear or if I'm missing something, I'm most likely being framed, and it's really stressful. I've had a pretty busy week.

If I had to get a sensible discussion going it would have to start with the night kills.

We're down to one kill a night. Thus, I'd conclude we only have one main threat present: mafia. Were a third-party like a serial killer be present, we would have two kills., unless both parties chose to kill B1rd and only him. Two different targets would mean two different bodies. As the wiki states:

Bodyguard only protects from a single kill. If multiple people try to kill the Bodyguard's target, both the Bodyguard and the protected player will die. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bodyguard

The chances of two parties picking the same target are really low unless there's a common benefit. I think it's likely he was targeted because it'd be easy to frame another player. Especially if that player was only recognized for apparently wanting the other dead. Seeing how most of the discussion for today revolves around that, I'd say that's a pretty strong assumption. It'd be efficient as it would eliminate two players and effectively score a free night for any nighttime faction.

I think I've gone over in-depth why I'm not the supposed third-party, but I'll just summarize it with "killing B1rd would be suicide and out of character."

No, having typed that out, it seems like a really long shot. It's probably just mafia left.

The only one that tried to make like a legit point was IppE but I still can't trust him over how little I can get out of him. He just stirs things up and moves on. Nothing else to see. I can't fault that but I can't trust it either. He could've kept questioning me instead of shifting the attention to zertap.

Shit, I wanna keep going but I really need some sleep.

zertap is too open to be anti-town, but strikes me as too navie to count on for justifying other users

abraker is like ippe but more expressive. I can read more into that so I can find some ease in it.

I haven't seen enough of everyone else to say right now. I'd need to dig.

abraker wrote:

Brian OA wrote:
No, fuck that. I was given a life and like hell I'm going to waste it
Wow! It took half hour to come to that. What's with the sudden change of mind?

I thought things over. I haven't slept in a while so it's kind of taking its toll.

I, as much as you, are noobs at this thing. The first thing that comes to mind is that it has to do with a role. I'd call it "playful nature" with malicious intent. I honestly don't know how you can possibly prove that it really was innocent "playful nature" at this point.

as much as B1rd just randomly voting on me for no reason? Listen, I don't know if you ever noticed but he's been trying to one-up me at a lot of things for a while now. I'm playing off of that. I know I can't prove it, but I'll stand by it.

Until I find a better candidate for a lynch, the rope will remain on you.

I am pretty much one vote away from insta-death

If you're cool with that, that's fine, just keep in mind that anyone else can end it right now.

Brian OA · ^

yeah, I'm going to sleep

Brian OA · ^

Wow! It took half hour to come to that. What's with the sudden change of mind?

Also I wouldn't be able to go to sleep leaving it at that

ksg · ^

Unvote: Brian OA

IppE, zertap and Multtari are currently the ones giving me the most suspicious "vibes."

Will think after sleeping for what my thinking is worth

Multtari · ^

ksg wrote:

IppE, zertap and Multtari are currently the ones giving me the most suspicious "vibes."

IppE · ^

Brian OA wrote:

We're down to one kill a night. Thus, I'd conclude we only have one main threat present: mafia. Were a third-party like a serial killer be present, we would have two kills., unless both parties chose to kill B1rd and only him. Two different targets would mean two different bodies.

Shiringo was Vigilante, which explains the two bodies of Night 1. A game with a serial killer and a vigilante wouldn't make much sense, and I doubt Mara would do something that dumb.

Since we're down a bodyguard, it could as well be possible that there was no Doctor in the game to begin with.

zertap claiming miller pretty much confirms that there is a cop in the game, having a role that returns the reverse when inspected would not make sense if there was no one to inspect him.

AstroCookie being a mafia roleblocker just tells us that mafia might or might not have more special flavour to them, most likely a mafia godfather (again, just to fuck with the almost certain cop).

ksg wrote:

IppE, zertap and Multtari are currently the ones giving me the most suspicious "vibes."

Explanations are more than welcome.

IppE · ^

In fact, we could get some clues if the almost certain cop roleclaimed and told us who he inspected during the nights.

think2

abraker · ^

Brian OA wrote:

.We're down to one kill a night. Thus, I'd conclude we only have one main threat present: mafia. Were a third-party like a serial killer be present, we would have two kills., unless both parties chose to kill B1rd and only him. Two different targets would mean two different bodies. As the wiki states:

Actually the odds that B1rd was to be killed were almost 50/50. The killer has 2 routes on killing B1rd: Directly or Indirectly. Simce there were 9 people at the time, it would make the odds 2/9. However, if there is serial killer, that's another 2/9 chance that B1rd might be dead. Interpreting it as "Mafia kills B1rd or Serial killer kills Bird", the probability is 4/9. The odds, however, that mafia AND serial killer were to both land on B1rd are 4/81. Therefore, it's really suspicious that there was 1 kill, but B1rd's fate is comparable to a coin toss. This night might show if there really is a serial killer on the loose.

Shiringo was Vigilante, which explains the two bodies of Night 1. A game with a serial killer and a vigilante wouldn't make much sense, and I doubt Mara would do something that dumb.

Let's see:

If Shiringo was killed by the mafia, that means that LunarStorm was either killed by serial killer or Shiringo. The odds of them both landing the same hit are astronomical, so I will dismiss that idea. There is also a possibility that one or the other chose not to kill. Overall, this route is very indeterminent, and would label the possibilty of a serial killer being among us low or unknown

If Lunarstorm was killed by the mafia, that would mean that Shiringo was killed by the serial killer.

Therefore, either Shiringo was killed by mafia and we have no way of knowing if there is a serial killer, or Lunarstorm was killed by mafia and there is a serial killer among us. Unless you are sure that mafia killed Shiringo, I would not dismiss the posibilty of a serial killer.

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