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#256 Re: Paskapostaus » Törkeä nosto » 2016-02-12 21:21:48

Tämä lanka kelvatkoon kun selitän lewderillä jotain ja jotain.
Referenssiksi postaus johon edes vastaan -> https://forum.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?pid=18625#p18625


Tosiaan, vaikka suomea hyvin usein mainostetaan vähäisen korruption maana, juurikin sen takia kun ihmiset eivät siihen päivittäin itse törmää (suurin osa korruptiosta tapahtuukin "ylempänä", mutta epäsuorasti vaikuttaa sieltä alaspäin (syntyneet päätökset jne)). Mutta sen vaikutuksia kyllä näkee "ihmis" tasollakin. Toki yksityisellä sektorilla tätä näkee huomattavasti vähemmän, mutta verojen kiertoa yritetään silti (ja se on korruptiota, oli kuinka vähäistä tahansa. Verokierron määrä vähemmän yllättäen nousee, mitä korkeammalle tienesteissä mennään. Ja tätä on tapahtunut vuosia, eikä Suomi "jostain syystä" tee tälläiselle korruptiolle mitään)

Mutta kuten kaikki alkaa politiikoista, liittyy se valtioon. Kun asia liittyy valtioon, sen juuret yltävät hieman pidemmälle kuin eka ajattelisi.
Tähän kuuluu esim. suojatyöpaikat julkiselta sektorilta, hyvävelidiilit (sekä yleinen vähäinen kilpailutus suomessa kuntasektorilla) ja muutamat hyväntekeväisyyden nimissä toimivat yksityiset (sekä julkiset) firmat.
Näiden korruptiotyyppien luonteesta johtuen, ne syntyvät usein yhteisymmärryksestä ja näihin ei ole kauhean vaikea saada lisää ihmisiä mukaan.
Poliisit nyt eivät tuppaa harrastamaan korruptiota niin räikeästi kuin monessa muussa maassa, mutta selväähän se on, että poliisin tekemääkin rikettä piilotellaan, vähätellään ja mitätöidään. Ja koska korruptio sit tapahtuukin näillä tasoilla, ei sitä tulekkaan ajateltua, koska harvemmin sitä itse joutuu suoraa korruption uhriksi esim. poliisin kanssa asioidessa).

Tässä nyt oli vähän karkeasti selitettynä ja kirjoitettuna. Olen vapaa korjauksille, jos jossain sattui tulemaan epäkohtia ja/tai satut omaamaan toisenlaisen näkökulman asiaan. Lopputuloksena ei suomea siis saisi mainostaa maana jossa ei ole korruptiota, sen vähäisyydestä huolimatta. Kuitenkin täällä ollaan harrastettu veljeilyä ja vastaavanlaisia diilejä pitkään ja kyseisen käytöksen vähätteleminen siitä mitä se on, on vain asian vähättelyä ja suorastaan sen rohkaisua.

#257 Re: Off Topic » ITT: Pretend we are still writing in osu! OT » 2016-02-12 21:05:50

fittan wrote:

You're welcome to enlighten me at the expense of both of our time, I'll listen.

I actually wanted to explain in finnish, since our language is so asfhdgwerdwef to translate in all aspects.

So I'll actually do that in our subforum. Stay tuned

#258 Re: Off Topic » ITT: Pretend we are still writing in osu! OT » 2016-02-12 20:55:39

B1rd wrote:
Plakkis wrote:

The laws don't remove the existing weapons, as stated by lewder and IppE, we have a really high gun ownership/citizen.
And since all of our recent mass shootings happened in school, how would loose or strict gun control prevent that? We were already living under the guise of being "safe" from everything, people don't carry self-defence weaponry if they don't feel threatened. And I doubt many felt that threatened after the school shootings either.

And since most of the people who get weapons here are doing it as a hobby anyways, it doesn't affect their rate of gettin guns at all.
Finnish citizens have and will have guns in a pretty normal rate, since it only reduces the purchases done by people who just "wanna own a gun" without actually learning how to shoot with it properly etc. I actually find it more reassuring knowing that the citizens who have guns here actually know how to use them, instead of being able to buy one with no credibility on what you're gonna use it on.

Why do I keep responding to these, the way you write is so fucking baitish I'm actually retarded

I'm not in fact, trying to bait with my posts. At least these ones. Sometimes I just throw in a few insults for the fun of it.

People will get guns depending on how necessary they are, obviously. You're saying that people can have guns for hunting etc, but what about self-defence? Isn't defending yourself a valid reason for carrying around a gun? Not having gun control won't suddenly make everyone murderer, but it will give people the option of having a gun when they need one.

Anyway I've been up for a while and apparently I have stuff to do in an hour shit so I better start loading up on the caffeine.

Self-defence is a valid option in my mind. But in a country like oh-so-wonderful-and-peaceful-Finland the need for self-defence was quite non-existent and therefore doesn't exist in our current system as a valid reason for obtaining a weapon.
But like I've said before, I've seen way more people with some sort of self-defence stuff these days than pre-mudslime invasion. So times have definetely changed from the times when all of those regulations and laws were made.

#259 Re: Off Topic » ITT: Pretend we are still writing in osu! OT » 2016-02-12 20:47:55

fittan wrote:
Plakkis wrote:
fittan wrote:

we're proven to be in the elite of non-corrupt countries.

I really hope you're not serious with this one. Even though our corruption is not as slap in the face as in many places. Saying non-corrupt is a blatant lie

our politicians are the only corrupt ones, authorities in general are not at all.

I'd recommend you to look up how deep the corruption from our politicians actually reach.

#260 Re: Off Topic » ITT: Pretend we are still writing in osu! OT » 2016-02-12 20:37:46

When shit goes from bad to worse, I'll have my M/28 to protect me ;__;

#261 Re: Off Topic » ITT: Pretend we are still writing in osu! OT » 2016-02-12 20:25:48

B1rd wrote:
Plakkis wrote:
B1rd wrote:

But lets get this straight, you're not ok with normal people having guns, but your ok with the police and government having guns because they are so trustworthy?

Not all countries are like 'murica, where your freedom is defined by having a gun at hand. I'm a pro-gun myself and I find the gun restricting laws to be stupid, but there's reason behind them. Each time a massive happening with gun-related massacring happens, there needs to be a response. Living in a country where gun usage isn't that common anywhere (the police force here uses weapons avg ~40 times per year (including threatening with a gun)), the usual response is gun control (especially since we've been quite leftists deep inside for a long time now). Generally people don't see this as an issue, since well, usually weapons really are used by collectionists, hobbyists and hunters (which will not be affected by these laws at all)

I'm sure that trying desperately to ban guns will solve the issues of mass shootings. Or perhaps it'd be better to try and solve the issue of having so many mass-murdering psychos. And iirc, something like 8/10 of these mass shootings happen in 'gun free zone'. If more people were actually armed, these mass shootings wouldn't happen because either the shooter would get shot before he could kill many people, or he'd just not do it at all if he wasn't sure that he'd be able to kill many people.

And I'm sure gun control works great in your white majority European countries, because there isn't anyone committing violence and crime. But guess what, high rates of gun ownership works well in white majority countries too, like in Switzerland, when you have responsible people with firearms. But when you need guns when something happens, which it will, you don't have them. Like for example, hordes of rapuges invading, courtesy of the government and leftist cucks, and you can't even defend yourself because you've already given up that right, and now you can't get it back.

The laws don't remove the existing weapons, as stated by lewder and IppE, we have a really high gun ownership/citizen.
And since all of our recent mass shootings happened in school, how would loose or strict gun control prevent that? We were already living under the guise of being "safe" from everything, people don't carry self-defence weaponry if they don't feel threatened. And I doubt many felt that threatened after the school shootings either.

And since most of the people who get weapons here are doing it as a hobby anyways, it doesn't affect their rate of gettin guns at all.
Finnish citizens have and will have guns in a pretty normal rate, since it only reduces the purchases done by people who just "wanna own a gun" without actually learning how to shoot with it properly etc. I actually find it more reassuring knowing that the citizens who have guns here actually know how to use them, instead of being able to buy one with no credibility on what you're gonna use it on.

Why do I keep responding to these, the way you write is so fucking baitish I'm actually retarded

#262 Re: Off Topic » ITT: Pretend we are still writing in osu! OT » 2016-02-12 20:17:37

fittan wrote:

we're proven to be in the elite of non-corrupt countries.

I really hope you're not serious with this one. Even though our corruption is not as slap in the face as in many places. Saying non-corrupt is a blatant lie

#263 Re: Off Topic » ITT: Pretend we are still writing in osu! OT » 2016-02-12 20:02:11

B1rd wrote:

But lets get this straight, you're not ok with normal people having guns, but your ok with the police and government having guns because they are so trustworthy?

Not all countries are like 'murica, where your freedom is defined by having a gun at hand. I'm a pro-gun myself and I find the gun restricting laws to be stupid, but there's reason behind them. Each time a massive happening with gun-related massacring happens, there needs to be a response. Living in a country where gun usage isn't that common anywhere (the police force here uses weapons avg ~40 times per year (including threatening with a gun)), the usual response is gun control (especially since we've been quite leftists deep inside for a long time now). Generally people don't see this as an issue, since well, usually weapons really are used by collectionists, hobbyists and hunters (which will not be affected by these laws at all)

#264 Re: Off Topic » ITT: Pretend we are still writing in osu! OT » 2016-02-12 18:25:20

I myself still see no need to carry anything. If I were to be assaulted outside, I'd be so damn drunk anyways that I'd just hurt myself with anything I carried

#265 Re: Off Topic » ITT: Pretend we are still writing in osu! OT » 2016-02-12 18:21:57

Here we just have a massive amount of bureaucracy in front of everything and the corruption mainly lies with gypsies, mudslimes and somewhere higher up

#266 Re: Off Topic » ITT: Pretend we are still writing in osu! OT » 2016-02-12 18:15:14

Aurelianus Augustus wrote:

Well, that's true, yes, but whilst a knife is easy to obtain and requires no licence, it's also riskier to wield. Sure, that guy stabbed me between the ribs and in the arm, but I broke his jaw, and I barely ever got into a bloody fight. If he had a gun, you bet your sweet ass that I'd be rotting in a coffin now.

I'd trade expensiveness and rarity over less efficiency any day.

I'd choose a gun over a knife any day. But getting one legally is quite a hassle. You either need to be a hunter or a hobbyist to get a license for obtaining the gun. Then you also need a license to carry the said gun, which needs to be renewed at certain intervals.

Ofc you could just get the license, get a gun and carry it around w/o a license. But getting one from the black market is less hassle then

#267 Re: Off Topic » ITT: Pretend we are still writing in osu! OT » 2016-02-12 18:10:12

Aurelianus Augustus wrote:

I knew it. Captain Sweden is spreading.

Pretty much the whole point of these laws in the nordic countries, has been the starting point that no one would need to ever feel afraid going around. Hence it's only reasonable to ban them to create an environment where violence and other such activities are shunned upon.

They worked just fine before the whole mudslime invasion though, I've seen way more people carrying stuff to protect themselves. Even my mother considered some sort of weapon or self-defence class (she usually hates everything that has something to do with violence)

#268 Re: Off Topic » ITT: Pretend we are still writing in osu! OT » 2016-02-12 18:07:41

Aurelianus Augustus wrote:

Why not carry a gun, then? Easy enough just shooting the bugger, since just touching kebabs is more than I'd want to go for.

Anyone can get a knife or something similar, getting a gun is way more of a hassle compared to that (and expensive)

#269 Re: Off Topic » ITT: Pretend we are still writing in osu! OT » 2016-02-12 18:06:54

Aurelianus Augustus wrote:

Makes sense then.

Wait, are laws in Finland different than in Sweden? I know that in Sweden you can get some serious jail time for even carrying a knife, because Swedefags. lol

You can also have your wrenches etc. tools confiscated if you're just carrying them around without their proper container. Not sure how punishable it is though, haven't checked the lawbooks for the exact statement

#270 Re: Off Topic » ITT: Pretend we are still writing in osu! OT » 2016-02-12 17:59:25

You'd carry a knife too if you had a craving to carve kebab all the time.

Same as we carry knives, shotguns and wives around to protect ourselves from polar bears

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