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lmao I can already see the nightmare scenario
fittan is indeed the Spirit, I miss my 50/50 on tupsu and she dies, fittan is therefore convinced that I'm scum, Hika wins the game as you two vote to lynch me. God fucking damnit.
Lefafel wrote:or risking the mafia catching onto any clue I'd leave behind (I don't have enough experience to be able to confidently leave traces that won't get me killed, sorry)
I mean, apparently my crumbs (which I've pretty literally spelled my role out with) were way too thin to be followed, so I really don't think that excuse holds up
Hindsight is 20/20
I have no idea how good or bad some of you are at picking up on clues, so why would I risk it when I don't even really trust myself to be able to pull it off safely?
Lefafel. Why didn’t you breadcrumb your role. You could have saved someone who was going to get targeted.
I would like to know your night actions.
As mentioned earlier, it was mostly laziness and fear for my own safety. I wanted the first batch of concrete information to come through before doing anything major, or risking the mafia catching onto any clue I'd leave behind (I don't have enough experience to be able to confidently leave traces that won't get me killed, sorry). Safe to say that losing 50% of the playerbase in D/N1 did not ever cross my mind as a possibility.
I did share my night action earlier when tupsu asked, here.
Lefafel wrote:your first mistake is assuming my boat vote was based on Mara's (non-)read, which it was not. I was just holding onto my vote in case Mara did have something worthwhile to contribute, and after Mara disappointed, I simply laid the vote out as now there were no more people to be heard on the matter (other than boat themselves, obviously).
so what was it based on? you didn't provide any reasoning when voting. them being "annoying" isn't reason enough.
I did, actually. Observe, on page 5:
Right now it's Hades Izanami that's sticking out to me as the most tempting lynchee, based on his amount of vote flipping vs. the lack of any real reasoning behind it, or contribution to any of the discussion. I will hold off for now though, see if he has anything more to say.
(There's also always the chance that boat is playing like this on purpose, for whatever twisted personal reason or because of an in-game role)
I definitely think a d1 lynch is better than no-lynch, I think the townies have enough leeway here to make one wrong call and still be in good standing to survive this game.
Lefafel wrote:I did consider the possibility of boat being jester
this is bullshit by the way
see above quote from page 5.
Lefafel wrote:Someone asked to role-claim, I'm the RNG-Doctor. Coincidentally, having a nerfed doctor in the game would indicate some other powerful townie roles which would fit in with fittan's claim of being a Restless Spirit I guess.
prove it, who did you attempt to heal (it wasn't me at the very least, and claiming tupsu is super convenient and requires a paragraph of explaining)
as I mentioned earlier on this page, my heal (or prayer, RNG as it was) was on Mara on N1. Misplay, I fully admit that, but I had my reasons for it (also explained in the aforementioned post).
And of course, finally this:
Are you sure you still want to lynch me?
Definitely yes, in fact it's the only sensible play to make right now. There are only two outcomes:
You are the lone remaining scum, and as you die we win the game
You are the Wandering Spirit, and even though die and we lose a town member, we don't lose a townie vote
Lynching a blank character (Hika, I can't give a proper read on them like I said), or lynching an apparent member of town (tupsu), or lynching you? Easiest decision of my life.
Did not expect to be down to 4 people on day 2.
I also hadn't decided on what I was going to do on night 1 prior to the boat lynch.
Just general D1 laziness.
My prayers were on Mara last night. You can see how well that went. I don't even know what the interaction is when my target dies from his own actions, tbh. I just assumed I lost the roll, but maybe I didn't even get a roll.
as to why Mara, I honestly thought Soner was a townie or third party with some confusing role they misunderstood, and mara's so-called read kinda implied something similar. Some personal bias mght've been involved in that read too.
I don't think using previous games of Tuuba Mafia as reference for roles is too useful, so I'm gonna ignore that part.
I would rather not die and lose the game so let's look at some of this...
Lefafel wrote:Mara wrote:blah blah I don't know anything
well that was largely useless.
Vote: Hades Izanami
It's time to start explaining all the vote flipping.
YOUR INFORMATION IS COMPLETELY WORTHLESS BUT LET ME JUST VOTE THIS GUY ANYWAY :DDD
With Hika jumping ship on junk trawler I would have suspected Hika over Lefafel if Lefafel hadn't slipped with the
Lefafel wrote:ah, looks like Hika managed to sneak in a post between me and mara, and now my vote looks like vote-piling. Oh well, extra pressure on boat to actually address this I guess.
showing that they actually intended to post right after Mara, as to not appear like someone piling votes but as someone who took Mara's read seriously (while still calling it bad? lolwut?). Lefafel knew poop scow wasn't mafia, and knew crap lugger couldn't defend themselves properly, so it's an easy vote to begin with.
your first mistake is assuming my boat vote was based on Mara's (non-)read, which it was not. I was just holding onto my vote in case Mara did have something worthwhile to contribute, and after Mara disappointed, I simply laid the vote out as now there were no more people to be heard on the matter (other than boat themselves, obviously).
your second read goes awry for the same reason; I'd have preferred to be the first one to vote because it would have made my vote look like an actual thought out decision rather than vote-piling.
I did consider the possibility of boat being jester, and decided I really just wanted them out of the game even if that was the case. Sure, it means he wins, but it also removes a constant distraction from the game. I was almost certain that he wasn't a townie, so the lynch seemed safe enough to make.
Someone asked to role-claim, I'm the RNG-Doctor. Coincidentally, having a nerfed doctor in the game would indicate some other powerful townie roles which would fit in with fittan's claim of being a Restless Spirit I guess.
Fittan's defense does not convince me though, and since tupsu has lifted her vote I can do this without the risk of triggering an instant failure state:
Vote: fittan
You were the only one defending Soner in D1. You claim it was philanthrophy, I find it unconvincing.
You placed a zero-impact vote on mara right before he posted his reads. You claimed it was a simple joke, I can't believe that. It's too convenient for you.
AND if you can indeed vote from the grave, killing you off isn't going to lose us the game anyways.
Hika still refuses to say much of anything so I'll have to read them as slightly town-leaning at this point, but if fittan is revealed as town I will have to try harder I guess.
Alright, I'm gonna go to rest in a moment but first gotta send this fuckshit message because people are e d g y
I wish I had any idea what the fuck was Sonar thinking with his superior stunt but it might be #justbronythings. I'll ask him all the drugs that he is using later so I can grab them myself.
I don't really like to read all this wall of text since I have only been partially in the game (and I can't RVS waa waa) so here are my quality reads so far.
tupsu tldr (but apparently having intense word thing shit fuck with abraker)
Lefafel cool dude
abraker tldr - WAY TOO MUCH TLDR JESUS FUCKING CHRIST CALM DOWN
fittan tldr
Hika I really don't know
Hades Izanami most scummy so far imo, odd reaction to RVS (newbie mistake? boat being boat?) and some weird vote on tupsu without any proper reason (and I think there was an another odd vote from boat)
Multtari I really don't knowwhy the fuck am I playing with you dipshits lol
I think it's time to address this now, too.
Mara's read on me was what it was because Mara knew my role and alignment prior to being introduced to the game as a player.
I suspect his reasoning to label me as "cool dude" is that no matter if he's busted or falsely read as town, implying me to be on the same side would benefit him.
Now that we know Mara was scum, I am now also implied scum based on his "read".
If Mara survived night #1 and was successfull in selling himself as town, I would then be implied town as well and therefore under less scrutiny, and therefore a very powerful kill for mafia on night #2 (partly because of my role).
Also worth assuming that the alive mafia member now also knows my identity, It's of course possible that Mara kept it to himself but it's safer to assume he did not.
Soner's initial fuckup looks to be an unfortunately obvious key to the game given the conclusion of night #1. Tupsu covered a good amount of it already, the one thing that I did not see mentioned was how suspiciously long it took Mara to post at all (and how shitty his eventual post was). I believe that time was spent trying to come up with some sort of gameplan to salvage the mess left behind by Soner. It was a decent effort I guess, and if night #1 turned out just a bit less unfortunately for them, they'd have been in a good position to win I think.
Fittan has some serious shoveling to do if he wants to dig himself out of this hole.
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my OCD forces me to repost
Final hour of the day is upon as, and the accused shows no sign of retaliation. Death to the enemy!
I only did so because I tought it'd lead to the situation being resolved by the moderator, which it did not.
Oh well, I'll deal with it.
- lefafel 66% scum
- questions methodologies aggressively. Observed by questioning my lynch policy and how I come up with info in this
- I'll drop the lynch policy because enough points have been made about that, even by townies
- It is good scum tactic to attempt to devalue info that might be helpful to find scum
- Does not provide actual reasoning against how some part of my info is not important. Argues with, "why not think this" instead of "this is false, here are the reasons I think why"
- votes look like place holders and shuffling. Oberved by this and this
- There is high possibilty that Granger or Multtari vote was just a tactic used to separate scum relation
- If Granger/Hika is scum partner, then rvs was used as cover
- Lefafel unvoted Multtari without questioned how any of what Multtari said makes sense (as I raised concern for this here, here, and here)
- Put together the above and devaluing of scum related info, and this suggests intended ignorance to set up the chess pieces (distance scumpartners and get ready for d2 strategy if I am still alive).
- Therefore, likely scum
I'll address some of these while we wait for sunset.
Does not provide actual reasoning against how some part of my info is not important. Argues with, "why not think this" instead of "this is false, here are the reasons I think why"
I'm not really concerned with proving your wrong. Instead I'm interested in having everyone think for themselves. Info-dumping players like you tend to win over inexperienced players just by sounding like you know more than them.
I only know that some of your reads on my actions are off, but it's sound to assume these inaccuracies extend to the game in general. I don't think I'm in any way special in that sense. And I'd like others to take this same approach.
votes look like place holders and shuffling.
yes. My mafia experience comes from IRL games, where the conversation is live and this kind of voting behaviour doesn't really exist. So I'm mainly just testing things out, seeing what the "code of conduct" is regarding voting and seeing what can be accomplished with these votes.
Lefafel unvoted Multtari without questioned how any of what Multtari said makes sense
Indeed. Multtari seems like a thoroughly confused player, and there were other players that I had turned my attention to at that point. Multtari could've posted "lol dunno" for all I care, I'd still have unvoted at that point in time. This doesn't mean I think he was innocent, just that keeping a vote on him was moot.
abraker, comment on Mara stating Lefa is town/good? this seems to be a contradiction - you insist Mara is heavily town leaning and yet his read on Lefa is firmly town, and while it's not backed up by anything, I have strong personal/OOG reasons to suspect that read to be accurate.
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no comment
ah, looks like Hika managed to sneak in a post between me and mara, and now my vote looks like vote-piling. Oh well, extra pressure on boat to actually address this I guess.
blah blah I don't know anything
well that was largely useless.
Vote: Hades Izanami
It's time to start explaining all the vote flipping.