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#31 Re: Mafia » Tuuba Mafia 4: The death of Mara [Town & Jester Victory] » 2017-11-27 15:56:26
Lefafel wrote:After re-reading through Day 1 so far, it has dawned on me just how aggressively abraker has been attacking tupsu, with what seems to be dubious or even flawed logic at times. There's definitely more going on here than meets the eye, will need some more information to act on it though.
Care to refute my arguments and point out the flaws if that is the case?
Here's you from page 5:
I would rather not vote at all than vote on a potential townie. The worst case scenario in voting a 50/50 is that two townies are dead vs one if not voting. It is not worth trying to get mafia over two townie deaths this early in the game.
This is just blatantly wrong in my opinion. Even if the worst case scenario ends up happening (which I think is more unlikely than you make it seem) and we are 2 townies lighter at the dawn of day 2, the information gained far outweighs the loss in manpower. No-lynch on day 1 just postpones things and gives the mafia more time to manipulate and gather information while the town doesn't gain much of anything (assuming mafia plays the first night well).
It doesn't matter if you think maybe, slightly, or not sure. Actions taken and thoughts given are all pieces of a puzzle.
Not every piece that you get your hands on is actually part of the puzzle you're trying to solve. Collecting the pieces is all well and good, but it's just as important to determine which pieces are the ones that fit. Your aggressive focus on tupsu seems suspicious; surely your time would be better spent on grilling as many people as possible.
vote: tupsu
Reasons:
- Inconsistent arguments that hint of you pushing some sort of agendaYou suspect lefafel for voting fittan for the same reason you suspect fittan. lefafel voted in response to fittan's vote on Granger and you trying into implicate fittan as scum.
I have provided the insight that if you are scum, then you are trying to set fittan up. You would be using rvs to your advantage to make a bigger deal of something than it really is. Looking at fittan's ISO, all he did is run on Granger for rvs between Granger and Multtari. That holds no water.
You really think that Fittan voted you for scum reading him? No, the finishing blow was when you said that you are ready to lynch Soner for breaking rules with no consideration or further insight and with what sounds a ruthless tone. Fittan proceeded to vote you after that. You are shifting viewpoints here.
all this, off of RVs? Why did you not go after us other RVers?
Really I'm just killing time waiting for something to happen right now, so I'll return to neutral vote for the time being since Multtari responded:
Unvote
#32 Re: Mafia » Tuuba Mafia 4: The death of Mara [Town & Jester Victory] » 2017-11-26 00:16:42
After re-reading through Day 1 so far, it has dawned on me just how aggressively abraker has been attacking tupsu, with what seems to be dubious or even flawed logic at times. There's definitely more going on here than meets the eye, will need some more information to act on it though.
However, it is Multtari that I turn my attention to next. He made an off-handed remark about sonar deserving to be voted for his rule breaking, while still holding onto his RV on fittan. Multtari's contribution to the dialogue has been minimal otherwise, and this kind of cheering on of a "useless townie" lynch looks like a classic lowkey mafia play to me. Off with their head.
Vote: Multtari
#33 Re: Mafia » Tuuba Mafia 4: The death of Mara [Town & Jester Victory] » 2017-11-25 10:54:19
[fittan] also admitted he can't really defend himself when you questioned his Granger vote. Normally a person would make something up, but he admitted he can't
This is a very good point, and one that makes me give up my current vote. Someone who is in the mindset of lying or trying to manipulate will very rarely concede to an acusation like this, strongly hinting that fittan was, at least at that point in time, sincere.
Unvote
Right now it's Hades Izanami that's sticking out to me as the most tempting lynchee, based on his amount of vote flipping vs. the lack of any real reasoning behind it, or contribution to any of the discussion. I will hold off for now though, see if he has anything more to say.
(There's also always the chance that boat is playing like this on purpose, for whatever twisted personal reason or because of an in-game role)
I definitely think a d1 lynch is better than no-lynch, I think the townies have enough leeway here to make one wrong call and still be in good standing to survive this game.
#34 Re: Mafia » Tuuba Mafia 4: The death of Mara [Town & Jester Victory] » 2017-11-24 21:34:12
Abraker: So you're claiming to have a role with a ability that lets you know someone else as townie on d1?
I think Abraker chose his words very deliberately when saying he deduced the identity of a townie, implying he reached his conclusion through logic rather than a role ability.
I still stand by my mostly random vote on fittan for now, though he seems to have settled down a bit from the intial few actions.
The various theories and counter-theories that are currently being flinged around seem flimsy at best and have not convinced me at all.
#35 Re: Mafia » Tuuba Mafia 4: The death of Mara [Town & Jester Victory] » 2017-11-24 13:02:02
Sonar making such a mistake does indeed make him seem useless at best and likely a liability, but would a member of mafia ever do something like that? It would imply that he is intentionally breaking rules just for the sake of creating an illusion of ignorance, which seems a bit extreme at this point. Based on that I am inclined to believe he's harmless for now.
And what comes to the current vote, I believe we are firmly in the realm of random voting still so I'm sticking to my vote for now.
#36 Re: Mafia » Tuuba Mafia 4: The death of Mara [Town & Jester Victory] » 2017-11-23 12:15:37
this gun-wielding maniac seems way too unstable to be of any help even as a teammate.
Vote: fittan
#37 Re: Mafia » Tuuba Mafia 4: The death of Mara [Town & Jester Victory] » 2017-11-22 19:34:05
there is only one person here who openly carries a firearm. Conicidence? I think not.
#38 Re: Mafia » Tuuba Mafia 4: The death of Mara [Town & Jester Victory] » 2017-11-10 12:03:04
Sounds kinda slowpaced, but it's a busy time of the year I guess.
I'll play.
