While y'all are yelling at each other, I noticed that Granger has been the least focused, with that innocent girl game, squeezing as much information as possible. Nice try, but It wasnt enough.

After re-reading through Day 1 so far, it has dawned on me just how aggressively abraker has been attacking tupsu, with what seems to be dubious or even flawed logic at times. There's definitely more going on here than meets the eye, will need some more information to act on it though.

However, it is Multtari that I turn my attention to next. He made an off-handed remark about sonar deserving to be voted for his rule breaking, while still holding onto his RV on fittan. Multtari's contribution to the dialogue has been minimal otherwise, and this kind of cheering on of a "useless townie" lynch looks like a classic lowkey mafia play to me. Off with their head.

Vote: Multtari

fittan wrote:

What tupsu was right about is there likely only being two scum and a maximum of one neutral faction, though I would prefer three scum (also, guessing sizes of scum and neutral faction in public is extremely out of character :^) ).

how is it out of character? I've read enough of their games to know how the finns like to set their mafias up. I like having some type of framework to work with, hence why I'm publicly posting that guess (also I don't care enough to set up a google doc just for the sake of game, so you get my unfiltered thoughts here most of the time. also part of why I probably sound aggressive)
do you mean out of character in the sense of meta or what? cause that's not really a rule here as far as I can tell

If you think this carries little significance, you're absolutely correct. However, your reaction to my response does.

[...]I would have said that, (unless I actually was scum).

Sonar making such a mistake does indeed make him seem useless at best and likely a liability, but would a member of mafia ever do something like that? It would imply that he is intentionally breaking rules just for the sake of creating an illusion of ignorance, which seems a bit extreme at this point. Based on that I am inclined to believe he's harmless for now.

And what comes to the current vote, I believe we are firmly in the realm of random voting still so I'm sticking to my vote for now.

assuming he is in fact mafia, I suppose it might be an attempt to bait out really stupid townies in order to find easy lynch/kill targets? yes, it doesn't add up, but imo a d1 info lynch on a basically-confirmed dumb, fairly inactive townie is better than voting someone who's 50/50 on flipping scum (particularly since I'm opposed to voting active players early on, knowing how much of a snooze fest and info black hole forum mafias end up being once one or two actives are dead).

vote: tupsu

Reasons:

- Inconsistent arguments that hint of you pushing some sort of agenda

• You suspect lefafel for voting fittan for the same reason you suspect fittan. lefafel voted in response to fittan's vote on Granger and you trying into implicate fittan as scum.

• I have provided the insight that if you are scum, then you are trying to set fittan up. You would be using rvs to your advantage to make a bigger deal of something than it really is. Looking at fittan's ISO, all he did is run on Granger for rvs between Granger and Multtari. That holds no water.

• You really think that Fittan voted you for scum reading him? No, the finishing blow was when you said that you are ready to lynch Soner for breaking rules with no consideration or further insight and with what sounds a ruthless tone. Fittan proceeded to vote you after that. You are shifting viewpoints here.

- I have also deduced the identity of a certain townie, allowing me to use that as a reference point against all others. It really puts your actions scum leaning. I'll say more on this once the situation allows me to hint who the townie I deduced is.

tupsu wrote:

if my choices are a between shot in the complete dark and eliminating someone who will possibly be harmful despite being townie later, I'm going to be advocating for the latter.

I would rather not vote at all than vote on a potential townie. The worst case scenario in voting a 50/50 is that two townies are dead vs one if not voting. It is not worth trying to get mafia over two townie deaths this early in the game. Scum would want to increase the number of townies dead per day, and they are able to sway votes to their advantage since they know who is mafia.

Granger wrote:

Abraker: So you're claiming to have a role with a ability that lets you know someone else as townie on d1? This points to Mason but it'd be foolish to claim this this early. Whats up with that? Knowing you id expect better, explain yourself please.

I do my part in trying to hide the identity of the townie and you come out and start role guessing me. How can it possibly help town to say that I am mason out loud for all and mafia to hear? You keep such shit to yourself, observe, and deduce.

you're really barking up the wrong tree, though. funny how heavily you're locking onto me after I put a hesitant scumread on you, really getting me to think there might be something more to it