I mean, if you really want to avoid making the distinction through terms then, yes, they all have wishes and that's what makes them even bother answering the summons in the first place. Those wishes, however, don't need to be centered around the Grail to begin with.

Granted, some Servants (Rider and Lancer) don't get the development or exposure in the anime for their wishes to be known. At best, it's only implied that they have one that may or may not need the Grail. The only way you'd know every Servants' wish would be by picking at the various entries in the series or just playing Fate/Unlimited Codes (you'd find that none of them show interest in it). Still, that only means that wasn't a focus for the story and might as well be disregarded. The other Servants get enough development that you can at least assume what they're shooting for.

Regarding Berserker, the guy's too mad to even formulate a wish for the Grail. The only thing he ever expresses is his wish to protect Ilya, and we can assume that stems from the myth where he killed his family. Not so much the wolf thing.

Regarding Gil, he's basically there to lay his claim upon the treasure of the Grail, confidently enough to say he already won. Also to have fun. That's about it. No wish to make past just reminding everyone he's the best until UBW happens and he gets genocidal. As for the materialization, I feel like Gil did know prior to UBW. I recall him offering to give Iskandar a sip of the Grail if he were willing to bend the knee after listening to his wish at the meeting of kings. The only thing he was unaware of was that it was tainted, that's all.

I mean, I'm looking at whether or not the wishes fit the Servant in this case. Not whether or not the Servant fits the character. That's a different train of thought, honestly.

I'd

Probably do that as a joke.

I did appreciate that past all the laughably terrible things that game did

It's sad because it looked like they actually did their homework but then you realize they had to make a Sonic game.

not even a tertiary

Don't misunderstand me. I'm claiming that she's the only one to have a wish for the Grail, that's all. You said yourself that she had no reason to fight, so I explicitly told you why, noting how particular it is, and how determined she is for it, and now we're here. I don't need to compare them to make them look good or worse. Most of the characters are decent enough to stand on their own, Saber being no exception.

As for Gil, Gil doesn't really have a wish for the Grail past using it to stay materialized. His motivations do vary between routes somewhat in Fate/stay night, but it's a moot point. I'll just go ahead and say that if you're going to make these claims you can at least show some form of reasoning or justification behind them. I'll start: Resetting humanity isn't really that much more valuable on its own to begin with. A wish is supposed to work as the character's motivation; things like scale shouldn't really matter in the first place. The point is that it should fit the character, and you can see that with most of the Servants across the two entries very well. Some of them don't really have wishes to begin with, but their personality alone justifies it.

For example, Gilgamesh wants the Grail because that's just how full of himself he is. That's fine; it fits him and he plays that role very well, nuanced by the fact that he can, to some degree, back up all the shit he talks with either his firepower or his ancient, divine wisdom. Honestly, he's better in Zero by virtue of him displaying these nuances more than he does in Fate/stay night.

I'd go as far to say there are plenty of great characters to be found in Fate since most Servants end up following a similar format of an exaggerated yet nuanced personality but, by God, limiting yourself to the adaptations is going to really narrow your appreciation for them.

As for Saber, I'd honestly like to know what's your reasoning behind that one because I don't see what you would see that's so bad about her or her motivations and you haven't really expanded much on her, if at all. You've just been kind of assuming everyone's bad and comparing them to determine who's worse.

8 minutes is all Beako needed

Duly noted, bre

What I mean is that Zero's no good measure of her character; she's poorly represented and the whole story only further erodes her stance on every front. There are reasons for this, but still, none of them are good. I can't really compare her role between the two entries though, since they're ultimately trying to do two vastly different things, and her role shifts greatly between every route anyway.

What do you mean with "I gotta win the grail for no reason what-so-ever?" Did you even pay attention to Saber in any entry? She wants the Grail to undo her rule; she essentially drove Britain to the ground and bitterly regretted it. For Pete's sake, she's unique as the only Servant in Fate stay/night with a concrete wish for the Grail. That's all she's going for. She only puts up with Shirou because of her and standards and because he's essentially giving her another shot at the Grail, even if it's a bad one. Heck, in one bad end, she just straight up kills Shirou because she was sick of his incompetence. Excalibur wasn't the sword in the stone, either. That was Caliburn.

Even if you're a secondary, Zero and UBW should've been clear enough about that.

hyup

hyup

>not beako
>not crusch
nah

Rin's great. Only shortcoming is that she isn't exactly the genius she's touted to be. She's also just not really a proper heroine in any of the routes. On the other hand, Sakura's pretty bad. I give her a pass at times due to her situation, but she's got a bad case of victim complex and has very little going for her past that, even when accounting for extra material. The two do have an interesting relationship in HF, but Sakura's still bad.

Saber is a cutest and a best

Shirou's not that bad, frankly. While being far from satisfactory, he has more depth than a piece of cardboard and is somewhat capable. At the very least, he's not Shiki levels of bad.

Also no

Just take a gander at the chivalry stuff =_=

I'll probably keep fucking up noses anyway, but I'll make a more conscious effort for 'em.