Tuuba Mafia 3: The Return of Mafia [TOWN VICTORY]

GladiOol · ^

enet just now had to power to push the vote and 'end' the game if he was mafia and Granger town. So either both enet and Granger are scum or Granger and FirstTroph. Hika's confirmed town. IppE played like town and went after tupsu day 2. Why would he choose tupsu if they are both mafia? Why not go for the ''safer'' FirstTroph or Plakkis Hika (before she role claimed) at that point? It doesn't add up. The only logical pairings are Granger + FirstTroph or Granger + enet, so Granger is a 100% lynch.

IppE · ^

Let's just wait until monday and hear Granger out. Assuming you, me and hika are town and hold back our votes until then, mafia can't do shit.

Mara · ^

Granger (1) - GladiOol

No vote (5) - FirstTroph, enet, Granger, IppE, Hika

You have plenty of time remaining.

Granger wrote:

Mod: Does a tracker leave their house when they track someone, ie, would another tracker detect them doing something to someone?

In Mafia, all actions happen at the same exact time unless role specifies otherwise.

GladiOol · ^

Fine, I'll unvote. But I do want to know everybody's mafia pairs.

Unvote

Also, I'm re-reading all enet's posts and it honestly makes him more scum than any other player still alive. I urge all town to reread all of it and see him jumping from left to right and back left and back right again to vote whoever he pleases with whatever reason while calling other people ''stupid'' at any given moment for plays he does not agree with. Also, enet has said he has an ''unimportant role''. Well, I believe now to be the absolute best time to unveil that no? So why haven't you done so yet? Any information is needed yet you're not adding anything right now. If you honestly are town you are making us lose this game. Also, let's not forget that enet, and tupsu, who was mafia, have voted for both town players.

I don't see how Granger + enet are not the remaining mafia. Feel free to diverge my thoughts.

Hika · ^

Gonna need a full claim from FT and Enet in order to change how I feel TBH because I stick strongly to the former.

Granger · ^

Mara wrote:

Granger wrote:
Mod: Does a tracker leave their house when they track someone, ie, would another tracker detect them doing something to someone?
In Mafia, all actions happen at the same exact time unless role specifies otherwise.

Wait, so does this mean trackers can track each other or cant they? ?__?

First i ld like to look at the situation we are in: 6 players alive, 2 of which Mafia and one possibly Serial Killer. Which means 4 votes to kill and we're in Lylo, because if we mislynch we'll end up with 2 mafias and 2 (1) townies at which point the mafia just has to put 2 votes on one person to win (before town is lucky and puts 2 votes on a mafia, first to reach 2 votes will be lynched). This is important, remember this well. If we lynch, today will be the last lynch.

We have NO confirmed townies, but the mostlikely ones to be town are (imo):
GladiOol. (Roleclaimed, my trackings support his claim, IppEs supposed tracking also supports this. Plays pretty town but could aswell be SK still, unfortunatively theres nothing we can do about it besides seeing who dies on N3.) That said, im 100% sure Gladi is NOT MAFIA.
Hika. (She seems very town, almost certainly so, but is NOT confirmed because her Mason claim was a very safe one (with none to confirm or deny).) Ill be eating a broom if she turns out to be mafia despite my feels though.

Unfortunatively our cop died on D1 which im still salty about, which also is part of the reason why i consider none actually confirmed. Shame really.
The info he'd have been able to collect would be just what we need now.

Then while im lamenting the untimely death of the cop i want to talk about fittan.
Doesnt it anyone else find it strange how fittan died of all people, and why mafia janitored him to boot?
I thought IppE to be the doc, and tracked him on N2 to confirm my suspicious, which as expected was prositive... then his claim. And thats just strange.
So given that
Hika is Mason.
GladiOol 2 shot night vigilante
I am tracker.
IppE also tracker. (?)
EneT a "unimportant role"
And FirstTroph just unknown.

Is it just me or must fittan have been the doc? How come Mafia is so accurate and successful with killing the really useful townies? Im almost afraid to say they must have a rolecop or something akin.
Lets think about who was against and for fittan? This might seem a bit irrelevant now, but bear with me. I wonder why fittan mostly and not IppE or Hika or GladiOol which all would have been juicy targets for mafia for different reasons, and all of them have been very vocal and pro town playing. If you ask me, if i were a mafioso i would have killed one of these three. If only to silence one.
Of course they could've feared the doc protecting one of them, but with three targets to pick from, theres plenty of room to evade the doc. Anyway moving on, to the analys.

Fittan did... On D1
Voted FirstTroph.
Accused 2 people of "mafia defending mafia" Im having issues finding out who he meant exactly. If someone got a idea please say so. (in the future quote people please, Fittan! ;w;)
Accused IppE of being mafia, voting another mafia (Shiringo).
Defended EneT
Voted Tupsu
Accused Sync and defending

D2
Accused IppE. Again.
-> Posted his top 4 Suspects: "Sync, IppE, Tupsu/Hika"
Went massively against Hika when she did her post after post thing.
Defended FirstTroph.

Then was Nightkilled by Mafia.
(note i dropped some interactions with now dead townies (mostly just sync))

Hmmm interresting. Doesnt this point toward that he was onto something? Particulary IppE?
Why has no one seriously analysed fittan?

Personally i belive theres a town playing mafioso hiding among the townies and with the recent happenings (IppEs most likely false tracker claim) and now this analys i strongly belive this to be IppE.

But thats not all. Let me remind you we are in LyLo. IppE called a (almost successful) quick hammer during LyLo on a player who is essentially a wildcard at that point due a complete lack of informations and activity from them. (that is, me)
I cannot stress enough how irresponsible and anti town this is! You're gettinc cocky IppE, did the game go too well for you?
Also note that IppE voted on Tupsu, but never made a serious case against her. This leads me to belive, his vote mostly was one of disassocation.
Then, and i know thats a weak argument how come hes still alive, assuming hes town? I mentioned this before, as mafioso i would prefer to silence active and vocal people, but in fact, Mafia didnt go after any of the three vocal ones and killed people that were more in the mid range of activity and townyness. I wonder why? >_> Noob mafia or skilled manipulators?

Quick hammers are the opposite of what we should do now, In fact i want a complete claim, read and scum pairs from everyone, just like i will play out all my cards, if you'd like ill post all of it as the first one even, because honestly, at this point theres nothing better to do. If possible, and deemed useful, a no-Lynch is also something we should consider so we can see who the mafia would want to kill.

Can we agree on that? Yes? Lets work out who lays out their cards in what order.
Id suggest:
Me
IppE
FirstTroph
EneT
GladiOol
Hika

Granger · ^

Also a sidenote: I know you meant well GladiOol, but really, the next time you are a Vig please dont be as trigger happy. You singlehandedly doubled the pace the game advances at, and id have loved one or two more investigations.

The informations we have are pretty shaky imo and more nights, more kills to analyze and more investigation would have given us much more stable infos than what we have now.

Hika · ^

I read bits and pieces but I'll wait for my turn to talk.

s/n: Mafia killing me would be a stupid idea because I'm confirmed mason; it would just be a waste of an NK for them tbh so they're never going to go for me

Granger · ^

What about the claims thing? The claim order?

GladiOol · ^

@Granger

So the other mafia with IppE is enet or FirstTroph then? But in that case, I don't think we have a solid lynch. Not lynching will not do anything good at all because it will just result in Hika or me getting lynched at night, which will leave us with no new information whatsoever.

Also, if I have two shots I think it's more than fine to use them N1 and N2. Especially considering I got a mafia shot. On N1, I wanted to remove one inactive player, which was either you or Multtari. And on N2 I shot tupsu, mainly based on her plays D2 and based on IppE's reasoning to vote on her.

What made this game so fast is the double miss lynches, with the Sync vote being a silly vote. I think the only town who voted for sync were fittan, who was already on sync's ass, and hika, who decided to push to vote rather than do nothing. But according to your theory, it could be as much as 4 town voting for Sync, with hika/fittan/you/enet voting on Sync. I really do not see this being the case, because that would mean the only person I can trust is IppE, since he defended Sync. But that would mean your theory with IppE being mafia can't be correct, which makes you scum again.

Might I also ask, why did you vote for Sync so fast on day two? On day one you were reluctant to keep your vote on enet and removed it yet you instantly went for Sync who was arguably a far worse lynch than enet was D1.

Also, prod FirstTroph. It's time he speaks up.

And I want to know enet's unclaimed role.

enet · ^

Didn't I already say ages ago that I'm just a standard Townie? I can't remember if I did and I have no time to check so if someone has the time to then feel free to do so.

There can't be two townie trackers so there has to be one townie and one mafia tracker, which means either Granger or IppE has to be mafia. I'm confident on Hika being town since no one refuted her claim on mason; whether Gladi is SK or Vig is still a question of concern to me because he can potentially win as SK if 1 mafia and 2 townies are killed by the end of the night; FT is pretty much confirmed mafia for me since it's the only possibility.

enet · ^

To be quite honest, I'm leaning more towards Gladi being SK because what kind of Vig wastes a shot N1 based on the inactivity of the player? Madman

enet · ^

I'm also leaning more towards Granger being mafia since she was so willing to bandwagon against me rather than bandwagoning against FT on D1. tupsu, FT and Granger were the 3 out of the 5 people to vote me D1.

Granger · ^

I agree that Syncs lynch was silly as fuck, but thats mostly due the fact he bloody didnt defend themselfes. He garnered votes simply due his inactivity. And as such, indeed it wouldnt surprise me if most of the voters on there indeed were townies while mafia just took the chance for a free lurk while everyone and everything waits on Sync. Or the mafia voted on him to seem more town, because that'd be easy. I dont know.
I read all votes on Sync as townish.
Voting someone who did a whacky thing and then doesnt reason about it when asked is, to me, a town thing. One that doesnt reason shouldnt be let off the hook, but i do find it a real shame it was a townie who didnt reason.

Im having some trouble following your logic there, that IppE didnt vote/defended Sync i read as neutral, not something as exceedingly town (like you appartetly, merely because sync did end up being a townie?). Why exactly should be defending someone who did something stupid cause you to trust only them, because they were the only one to defend? And that makes me scum because?

For the record, i never considered Sync mafia either, no he seemed rather townish to me. Indeed i thought about the happenings at day 1 and found the bandwagon strange and wanted to stop it, like Sync.
What i didnt agree with at all was how he did it.
So i questioned him about it and asked what he saw in EneT. Without voting.
Several hours later, im still without answer and wanted to get him to move, so i put a vote on him, one that wasnt intented to be anything more than that.
Do you find that too fast? Strange? I dont.

Seriously Sync what the fuck man, that mislynch was entirely perventable if you had only put out your reason for last minute flipping EneTs bandwagon around.

Every kill means informations and we're seriously sprawling for informations at this point. I recognize that most likely you or hika would be killed. (im actually kinda expecting hika at this point), but our claims and such would make mafia see who they'd have to be most weary of and then decide who they kill, depending on which we can get some more of a idea who is/was dangerous to mafia, even if mafia tries to misdirect us.
And yeah, that kinda sucks for You and Hika. Such is being (((confirmed))) town in this stage.

I repeat, we need more informations which is why i call for everyone to lay out their cards and possibly have a no-lynch. If me mislynch its GG, and if we hit right, we still need infos. (altough another scum kill would provide us a lot of info again. And probably lead to a town win.

Do you wanna take the chances or look extra close now? Id look extra close, i dont wanna risk losing.
Speaking of which, Hika, Gladi, are you two seriously ignoring my call for the claims?

And tbh, i dont think you need to justify your actions, i think you did good, but im having some doubts about your N1 kill. Killing inactives is one thing sure, but that being all of it, esp on day one i dont think is a sound reason. Day one and Night one are always a big unknown and how people act in early stages can change drastically in later stages when informations become more available.
So yeah, just... look closely before you shoot, vig is a powerful role that puts a lot of responsibility on you. Thats it.

Also lol @ me removing my vote on EneT "instantly". I had it on him for quite a while before i got doubts about it.

IppE · ^

Granger wrote:

IppEs most likely false tracker claim)

Before you told us who you tracked, I said I tracked Gladi during the night to see that he actually was doing the stuff he claimed to do. Afterwards you confirm this with your own tracking result telling you that I did :something: to Gladi, which neither resulted in him dead or being roleblocked.

You should go trough your own findings with more though than just trying to find a reason to blame me before making blind accusations.

Also if I were to be a mafia going hard on tupsu on 2 days in a row would've been dumb as hell, especially if it had backfired and resulted in a lynched mafia (contrary to popular belief this isn't a good tactic while it does give the mafia that voted there some form of trust).

Now I'm going to go get my meme camo pants from the mail.

While I don't appreciate you jumping on me after pretty much singling out a mafia for gladi, I'm not going to jump back at you for it. Knowing Mara it's entirely possible that we have two trackers on the town. Either that or you're playing some high tier mindgames and your only saving grace is that your trackings make some sense and the outcomes don't conflict with info we have (although your claim to have tracked me AFTER I disclosed that I tracked Gladi is kind of weak, as all the info required to fake it was already out there prior to you saying what you did.)

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Granger (1) - GladiOol

No vote (5) - FirstTroph, enet, Granger, IppE, Hika

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