Tuuba Mafia 3: The Return of Mafia [TOWN VICTORY]

Granger · ^

enet wrote:

I'm also leaning more towards Granger being mafia since she was so willing to bandwagon against me rather than bandwagoning against FT on D1. tupsu, FT and Granger were the 3 out of the 5 people to vote me D1.

In hindsight either bandwagon was really stupid. I voted you because you were stupid. And then it got too much traction. (which i found strange, so i wanted to stop it)

Your bandwagon on D1 vesus FirstTroph was utter garbage, you gotta admit that.

Acually let me look up who all was on your bandwagoon. Kinda want to bet IppE was on it too now.
Hmm, actually wasnt, but he joined the Lunarstorm Bandwagon as the second last one for "Eh ill bite". Huh.

enet · ^

My vote on FT wasn't stupid, I was doing it to spark a reaction amongst players and that's exactly what I got. Out of all the people that voted me, only two had solid reasons; Sync and Lunarstorm. You, tupsu, Gladi and FT had none.

enet · ^

Only 'reasoning' the rest of you had was 'let's start a bandwagon then' or 'hey, what that guy said about you sounds legit'. None of you had your own reasoning and just followed what others said.

Granger · ^

IppE wrote:

Granger wrote:
IppEs most likely false tracker claim)
Before you told us who you tracked, I said I tracked Gladi during the night to see that he actually was doing the stuff he claimed to do. Afterwards you confirm this with your own tracking result telling you that I did :something: to Gladi, which neither resulted in him dead or being roleblocked.
You should go trough your own findings with more though than just trying to find a reason to blame me before making blind accusations.
Also if I were to be a mafia going hard on tupsu on 2 days in a row would've been dumb as hell, especially if it had backfired and resulted in a lynched mafia (contrary to popular belief this isn't a good tactic while it does give the mafia that voted there some form of trust).
Now I'm going to go get my meme camo pants from the mail.
While I don't appreciate you jumping on me after pretty much singling out a mafia for gladi, I'm not going to jump back at you for it. Knowing Mara it's entirely possible that we have two trackers on the town. Either that or you're playing some high tier mindgames and your only saving grace is that your trackings make some sense and the outcomes don't conflict with info we have (although your claim to have tracked me AFTER I disclosed that I tracked Gladi is kind of weak, as all the info required to fake it was already out there prior to you saying what you did.)

Mind you, your claims were completely know knowledge before while mine wouldnt have been hadnt you claimed. But yes this is strange. Im thinking you must have some investigative or misdirective role obviously, but considering how accurate the mafias kills are im almost willing to bet you must be a mafia rolecop. Why you'd rolesniff GladiOol i dont fucking know however, since he claimed. Misdirective could be a option, but as far i understood, GladiOol hit who he wanted to hit. Maybe misdirective of who targets him?
Honstly i dont know what you are but considering your other actions and disparaties i uncovered during my rereading on fittan and you, which you now dont even want to defend against or deny...

Explain the quickhammer during LyLo. This is why im mad at you mostly, and the fact i suspect you of having fakeclaimed just to drive it forward.

But fine, lets do the spiel and assume we're both town trackers (which i doubt), who would you say is mafia then? Just EneT + FirstTroph? FirstTroph + Hika?

enet · ^

Hika is pretty much confirmed town right now, what are you talking about?

Granger · ^

Oh i forgot. You went "hard" afainst tupsu on both days. Where? Im seeing you only voting her on D2 and not doing much else with it? If i missed something then point it out.
Im going hard against you, however.

Granger · ^

enet wrote:

Hika is pretty much confirmed town right now, what are you talking about?

Yes thats the point. I dont think these pairs work out. We cannot be both town trackers.

enet · ^

Yeah, either you or IppE are mafia.

GladiOol · ^

Granger wrote:

I agree that Syncs lynch was silly as fuck, but thats mostly due the fact he bloody didnt defend themselfes. He garnered votes simply due his inactivity. And as such, indeed it wouldnt surprise me if most of the voters on there indeed were townies while mafia just took the chance for a free lurk while everyone and everything waits on Sync. Or the mafia voted on him to seem more town, because that'd be easy. I dont know.
I read all votes on Sync as townish.
Voting someone who did a whacky thing and then doesnt reason about it when asked is, to me, a town thing. One that doesnt reason shouldnt be let off the hook, but i do find it a real shame it was a townie who didnt reason.

His vote for LunarStorm was anything but whacky. He was wrong, true, but the vote itself was not wrong. And he did defend himself. He said he thought his play was the correct thing to do, but he just ended up being wrong. I still don't think suspecting LunarStorm of scummy play was a ''wrong'' move to make there and then.

Also, if all votes on Sync are read as townish, then IppE and FirstTroph are your mafia, correct?

Granger wrote:

Im having some trouble following your logic there, that IppE didnt vote/defended Sync i read as neutral, not something as exceedingly town (like you appartetly, merely because sync did end up being a townie?). Why exactly should be defending someone who did something stupid cause you to trust only them, because they were the only one to defend? And that makes me scum because?

I don't think Sync's play was stupid, so I guess we just disagree there. I also think IppE openly doubting tupsu (which he did early on, D1 a little, D2 a lot + vote) and IppE's defending of Sync (which, again, he did early on in D2, before the votes rolled out) are town plays. D2 I had my doubts about tupsu as well, but I wasn't 100% convinved to shoot her. I was considering not to use it. But IppE's vote + reasoning convinced me to pull the trigger there and then. I doubt he'd keep his suspicion on tupsu if they are both mafia. It would only lead to me shooting tupsu, since I also defended Sync and expressed my doubts about tupsu.

Granger wrote:

Every kill means informations and we're seriously sprawling for informations at this point. I recognize that most likely you or hika would be killed. (im actually kinda expecting hika at this point), but our claims and such would make mafia see who they'd have to be most weary of and then decide who they kill, depending on which we can get some more of a idea who is/was dangerous to mafia, even if mafia tries to misdirect us.
And yeah, that kinda sucks for You and Hika. Such is being (((confirmed))) town in this stage.

I don't see how me or Hika dying will yield any information. Will my death prove enet is scum? Will Hika's death prove FirstTroph is scum? I don't think it will give us anything to go with, other than simply reducing the amount of town players.

Granger wrote:

And tbh, i dont think you need to justify your actions, i think you did good, but im having some doubts about your N1 kill. Killing inactives is one thing sure, but that being all of it, esp on day one i dont think is a sound reason. Day one and Night one are always a big unknown and how people act in early stages can change drastically in later stages when informations become more available.
So yeah, just... look closely before you shoot, vig is a powerful role that puts a lot of responsibility on you. Thats it.

Yeah, I agree. However I had two shots. I think using one early on is fine. Especially considering it could have just as well be me getting lynched N1 instead of the cop. I still believe Vigi is the strongest town role.

Granger wrote:

Also lol @ me removing my vote on EneT "instantly". I had it on him for quite a while before i got doubts about it.

I think you misread. I said you instantly went with the Sync vote, whereas you were very reluctant with the enet vote.

Granger · ^

Also can i remind of this?

Granger wrote:

Quick hammers are the opposite of what we should do now, In fact i want a complete claim, read and scum pairs from everyone, just like i will play out all my cards, if you'd like ill post all of it as the first one even, because honestly, at this point theres nothing better to do. If possible, and deemed useful, a no-Lynch is also something we should consider so we can see who the mafia would want to kill.
Can we agree on that? Yes? Lets work out who lays out their cards in what order.
Id suggest:
Me
IppE
FirstTroph
EneT
GladiOol
Hika

Hika wrote:

Gonna need a full claim from FT and Enet in order to change how I feel TBH because I stick strongly to the former.

enet · ^

Lynching Gladi would be retarded even if he is SK because it would result in a draw between town and mafia. I don't have a concrete scum pair right now because I'm still iffy on you and IppE but FT is definitely mafia imo.

GladiOol · ^

So, we have to make choices between IppE/Granger and enet/FirstTroph.

IppE and Granger are not mafia together. enet and FirstTroph are not mafia together.

enet · ^

The choice between IppE and Granger is too risky imo. Hika is confirmed town; we can't lynch Gladi so the only two people I think you guys should think about lynching is either me or FT. There is one town out of both of us and I'd say FT is the mafia.

IppE · ^

Granger wrote:

But fine, lets do the spiel and assume we're both town trackers (which i doubt), who would you say is mafia then? Just EneT + FirstTroph? FirstTroph + Hika?

Hika is pretty much confirmed town, if the mason roleclaim had been false we would've seen another dead mason or heard someone bitch about a fake roleclaim more vocally by this point.

Gladi is either a vig or a SK playing for the town for his own gain.

FirstTroph and enet are both playing it low profile and relatively safe right now (with enet just throwing suspicions on anything remotely sensible other than himself).

The early game enet voting tupsu "merely to piss her off" seems too on point to not have been based on enet knowing something, so unless you guys want to wait for FT to magically come around and explain himself, I'd say (ignoring Granger, since I too am suspicious of town having two trackers) enet is the safest bet for a lynch since no-lynch does nothing but give the mafia a free kill during the night with no real progress on the day.

enet · ^

The thing is, we have to make the decision between IppE and Granger eventually in this day or the next because mafia is definitely not killing one of them on this night. IppE/Granger is mafia's winning condition.

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