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Mara · ^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odB1wWPqSlE

tupsu · ^

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pl … ot-conned/

IppE · ^

tl;dr = both sides are corrupt to the core and western democracy is but a joke

will putin-senpai save us from the capitalist clutch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bixgOtkLao

tupsu · ^

because just mentioning to move to polichat is apparently not enough

daddycoolvip · ^

A good day for France! Populist rhetoric wasn't strong enough.

Mahogany · ^

Good work France. Still not in the best place, but the best choice was made between the available candidates.

tekihtimaliolan · ^

melenchon would have been better but yeah, out of le pen and macron the latter one certainly was the better choice.

GladiOol · ^

Melenchon is an actual commie. I'd vote Le Pen all day every day if it stops any form of socialism or communism.

fittan · ^

oy vey racism

tupsu · ^

GladiOol wrote:

Melenchon is an actual commie. I'd vote Le Pen all day every day if it stops any form of socialism or communism.

substituting one form of extremism for another solves literally nothing
I hate communism as much as anyone who is born in a recently postcommunist state, but in my opinion le pen would be the worse option between the two because her form of crazy is more subtle and easier to accept for people
but then I'm a filthy liberal who'd probably be happy with a melenchon kept in check by his parliament working for leftie progress

FuZ · ^

old government had 4% of popularity but they still elect someone who was part of this government

this will be fun, all he cares about is globalism and europe, he dont give a fuck about the people

it will be brutal when people finally realize this

GladiOol · ^

tupsu wrote:

GladiOol wrote:
Melenchon is an actual commie. I'd vote Le Pen all day every day if it stops any form of socialism or communism.
substituting one form of extremism for another solves literally nothing
I hate communism as much as anyone who is born in a recently postcommunist state, but in my opinion le pen would be the worse option between the two because her form of crazy is more subtle and easier to accept for people
but then I'm a filthy liberal who'd probably be happy with a melenchon kept in check by his parliament working for leftie progress

I'm a liberal, and if you are as well you'd be against any form of beginning communism in a heart beat. Melenchon is nothing short of classic left-wing populism as well. This man is talking about ''pre-revolution'' shit and how France is on the verge of ''splitting like an atom''. ''The atom is very small, but split it and it shatters far and wide.''

Money – whether a lack or surfeit of it – is the root of most evil. He proposes a monthly minimum wage of €1,300 (£1,125), 100% taxation for those earning more than €33,000 a month, and the renegotiation of EU treaties to escape the yoke of “economic liberalism”.

He wants to lower the work days to four. (Unaffordable. This means you have to hire more people to fill in the gap which means you have to lower wages.) He wants workers to have more vacation days. (Same as before.) He wants to raise the minimum wage by 16%. (This means you'd have to fire a lot of low-skilled labor. But you can't because you already need more people to work. Well shit.) Increase tax on inherited wealth. (If dad dies, you don't deserve any of the money he saved up to ensure you can go to university.) He wants to stop free trade deals, leave the NATO (the fucking bulwark ensuring world peace) and he wants to abandon nuclear energy while simultaneously stepping over to 100% renewable energy. (With today's knowledge, impossible. We need to innovate on nuclear energy to ensure we have a greener tomorrow.)

Apparently, economics are optional in a socialist world. Being against the free market is being against freedom itself. And let freedom just now be the most important principle for any liberal. He doesn't want the poor to be richer, he wants the rich to be less rich. That's not how you solve any form inequality. That's how you destroy economies and how, ultimately, the poor will be fucked over. And that is why I'd vote, with a lot of contempt, for Le Pen if it were to come down to a melenchon vs. le pen show down.

https://youtu.be/pdR7WW3XR9c?t=58s

Aurelianus Augustus · ^

I'd just like to tell you that Le Pen wants to leave NATO and EU, so idk how that point you made up there (NATO related) makes sense with that in mind.

If anything, Le Pen wants to get closer to the socialist countries of the East.

tupsu · ^

GladiOol wrote:

tupsu wrote:
GladiOol wrote:
Melenchon is an actual commie. I'd vote Le Pen all day every day if it stops any form of socialism or communism.
substituting one form of extremism for another solves literally nothing
I hate communism as much as anyone who is born in a recently postcommunist state, but in my opinion le pen would be the worse option between the two because her form of crazy is more subtle and easier to accept for people
but then I'm a filthy liberal who'd probably be happy with a melenchon kept in check by his parliament working for leftie progress
I'm a liberal, and if you are as well you'd be against any form of beginning communism in a heart beat. Melenchon is nothing short of classic left-wing populism as well. This man is talking about ''pre-revolution'' shit and how France is on the verge of ''splitting like an atom''. ''The atom is very small, but split it and it shatters far and wide.''
Money – whether a lack or surfeit of it – is the root of most evil. He proposes a monthly minimum wage of €1,300 (£1,125), 100% taxation for those earning more than €33,000 a month, and the renegotiation of EU treaties to escape the yoke of “economic liberalism”.
He wants to lower the work days to four. (Unaffordable. This means you have to hire more people to fill in the gap which means you have to lower wages.) He wants workers to have more vacation days. (Same as before.) He wants to raise the minimum wage by 16%. (This means you'd have to fire a lot of low-skilled labor. But you can't because you already need more people to work. Well shit.) Increase tax on inherited wealth. (If dad dies, you don't deserve any of the money he saved up to ensure you can go to university.) He wants to stop free trade deals, leave the NATO (the fucking bulwark ensuring world peace) and he wants to abandon nuclear energy while simultaneously stepping over to 100% renewable energy. (With today's knowledge, impossible. We need to innovate on nuclear energy to ensure we have a greener tomorrow.)
Apparently, economics are optional in a socialist world. Being against the free market is being against freedom itself. And let freedom just now be the most important principle for any liberal. He doesn't want the poor to be richer, he wants the rich to be less rich. That's not how you solve any form inequality. That's how you destroy economies and how, ultimately, the poor will be fucked over. And that is why I'd vote, with a lot of contempt, for Le Pen if it were to come down to a melenchon vs. le pen show down.
https://youtu.be/pdR7WW3XR9c?t=58s

I'm aware melenchon is an utter and complete retard and I am very much against communism, my point was that most of his ideas are so outrageous no one would take them seriously and thus progress would continue towards the left, but at a far more moderate pace
admittedly I wasn't aware about his free trade/nato plans and that is quite scary, but macron is the best realistic option out of the candidates this year in my opinion

FuZ · ^

tupsu wrote:

but macron is the best realistic option out of the candidates this year in my opinion

what about fillon

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