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#1 Re: Mafia » Cyberpunk Mafia [Town Win] » 2018-08-01 21:59:54

am I allowed to post now?

The unfortunate day/night 1 made the game just flat out unwinnable for mafia. the other two days were just going through the motions.

#2 Re: Mafia » Cyberpunk Mafia [Town Win] » 2018-07-25 22:00:44

IppE wrote:
Aurelianus Augustus wrote:

I mean I claimed IppE was evil from the very start, so just on that basis I'll vote him - don't see anything wrong with either person's statements, as I previously mentioned, as either of them would be giving up (I don't think either is stupid to actually believe that shit would work) if they lied - IppE having rcd as a cop when it's a literal death sentence for a cybomong, and abra telling others how to win, practically giving up.

On that note, my role.
Roleclaim: Doctor

Vote: IppE

Please at least be a more useful doctor than lefafel was in last mafia, that was almost sad.

Hey, I was some enlightened hippie instead of a real doctor. Your expectations should've been at 0 to begin with...

#3 Re: Mafia » Cyberpunk Mafia [Town Win] » 2018-07-25 17:58:05

IppE RCing as a cop is basically him offering up as a sacrifice for a guaranteed win (assuming he is indeed the cop), as town still has a majority after two friendlies would die (IppE + a night kill by the remaining scum).

If IppE is false claiming, he must be the remaining scum as a normal townie or a doctor would get no benefit from falsely claiming to be a Cop.

Looks like this game will be over quite swiftly.

Vote: IppE

Since we're role claiming, I'm a boring townie.

#4 Re: Mafia » Cyberpunk Mafia [Town Win] » 2018-07-24 00:13:16

May your soul rest in peace, brother.

Looks like H.I was indeed scum, rather than simply dumb. Fortunate for us. Fittan was an easy target for the remaining scum as he was the one to put out a lenghty (and at least partly accurate) read on day 1. Wether this means that fittan's read had errors in it and the mafia wanted to deny him from fixing those later, or wether fittan's read was spot on and he got eliminated before he could provide more proof or reasoning for it, is impossible to tell.

What's confusing is that initially H.I pointed fingers at A.A, but in return A.A tried to defend H.I (though in a roundabout way, and possibly based on outside-of-game factors). Worth thinking about when going forward.
Also this -

Aurelianus Augustus wrote:

Man would it be funny if I ate my own words and he turned out to be a cyborg just pretending to be daft, but actually planned it out all along.

We know the remaining Mafia has the Tracker trait, but that they did not use their ability since we witnessed a night kill. I'm not sure what that implies, but worth making a note of.

#5 Re: Mafia » Cyberpunk Mafia [Town Win] » 2018-07-21 16:29:27

Hi I'm still here, nothing worth commenting has been said and H.I. hasn't really cleared his act up either so I'm content with my current vote still.

#6 Re: Mafia » Cyberpunk Mafia [Town Win] » 2018-07-18 22:22:24

fittan wrote:

Player alignments were released at the start of the game, no? I would personally have preferred mod to have said "0-1 neutral" or whatever, with other roles also being 0-1 to add ambiguity to such a low player game, but it is what it is. I'm saying we have no jester or other roles which the win condition of getting lynched.

Oh that's my bad, I didn't revisit the opening post and just read the scenario setup that was posted on monday. Apologies for that, and thank you for clarifying.

#7 Re: Mafia » Cyberpunk Mafia [Town Win] » 2018-07-18 19:06:18

fittan wrote:
Hades Izanami wrote:
Lefafel wrote:

less than convincing logic.

It didn't occur to you that perhaps he felt threatened when they saw they were firstpicked out of nowhere? People tend to panic when in the spotlight, so they try to pass the ball to others, in this case IppE. That being said...

Vote: Aurelianus Augustus

I could place you in the spotlight, if you want me to. We seem to know for a fact that there are no suicidal players in the game but you're drawing an awful amount of attention to yourself.

I don't particularly mind the attention myself, so go ahead.

What I do want you to clarify is this:

We seem to know for a fact that there are no suicidal players in the game

Are you basing this on just the player headcount, or is there something more you've picked up?

#8 Re: Mafia » Cyberpunk Mafia [Town Win] » 2018-07-18 17:41:08

Aurelianus Augustus wrote:
Lefafel wrote:

Apologies for neglecting...

As there is very little to go by currently, I'll vote based on Hades Izanami's less than convincing logic. Maybe they're trying to stir up arguments for their own benefit? Who knows.

Vote: Hades Izanami

He was never known to be a man of logic, so despite voting for me out of silliness, he doesn't seem like he's capable of scheming like a dirty, filthy cyborg and thus you shouldn't base your vote solely around that.

So the best case scenario is that he's just an useless friendly, since he cannot be trusted to act logically. Worst case, he's going to kill us all.

I think it's a good enough D1 vote to stick to for now.

#9 Re: Mafia » Cyberpunk Mafia [Town Win] » 2018-07-18 17:38:37

Hades Izanami wrote:
Lefafel wrote:

less than convincing logic.

It didn't occur to you that perhaps he felt threatened when they saw they were firstpicked out of nowhere? People tend to panic when in the spotlight, so they try to pass the ball to others, in this case IppE.

Hades Izanami wrote:

Aurelianus fast response is pretty suspicious

It's perfectly reasonable, even expected, to defend yourself when being threatened, it's not something to label suspicious at all. You calling it suspicious is what's actually suspicious.

#10 Re: Mafia » Cyberpunk Mafia [Town Win] » 2018-07-18 15:10:48

Apologies for neglecting...

As there is very little to go by currently, I'll vote based on Hades Izanami's less than convincing logic. Maybe they're trying to stir up arguments for their own benefit? Who knows.

Vote: Hades Izanami

#12 Re: Mafia » Tuuba Mafia 4: The death of Mara [Town & Jester Victory] » 2017-12-07 13:57:46

tupsu wrote:

I may have been a bit paranoid about crumbs

can elaborate/further defend myself while I'm not on the bus

unvote, will probably go and reread everything once I'm off the bus

I'm going to sleep someone take my keys from me

someone on the bus has a cat in their bag this is highly unusual

Yeah, not an easy hint to catch...

As to what comes to rule breaking, on my behalf rule #4 was maybe broken? I interpret that rule as "the players should not discuss the game amongs themselves outside the thread". Discussing in private with someone who is not part of the game (and someone I trust to not go arund telling others) seemed fine. But then Mara got pulled in as a replacement player and everything went to shit :D

#13 Re: Mafia » Tuuba Mafia 4: The death of Mara [Town & Jester Victory] » 2017-12-07 12:03:51

I had to cover my bases on N2, tupsu's "breadcrumbs" were grinded down to some sub-atomic particle size as there really is no sign of them in her message history from what I saw (even when I know what role I was supposed to be looking for), leading me to suspect her somewhat. If tupsu had nk'd Hika on night 2, there was no fucking way to ever salvage this game for the town. Hika played day 2 poorly enough to incriminate themselves regardless of tupsu's survival of night 2, so I figured my best chances were to try to counter the possibility of tupsu being the scum...

For N1 I have no excuse tho, should've thought about it more back then.

A victory is a victory, I'll take it. I think my inexperience in this kind of mafia setting showed pretty clearly, so I'm happy to have been able to not fuck it up too badly.

Thanks to moderation for hosting, it was a fun game~

#15 Re: Mafia » Tuuba Mafia 4: The death of Mara [Town & Jester Victory] » 2017-12-07 10:07:09

Lefafel wrote:

lmao I can already see the nightmare scenario

fittan is indeed the Spirit, I miss my 50/50 on tupsu and she dies, fittan is therefore convinced that I'm scum, Hika wins the game as you two vote to lynch me. God fucking damnit.

And here we are.

I have to convince Fittan's ghost now. Let's get into it.

Day 1
What Hika did
Hika joined halfway into the day as Granger had to drop out, and the first real contribution from them was this read:

Hika wrote:

between abraker, tupsu and fittan, there is a scum
heavily between fittan and abraker but more towards abraker
so it would be more like

abraker > fittan > tupsu

Mara is not scum, he is town imo because of Sonar or whatever the fuck his name is at the beginning of the game.
I think it was a newbie townslip.
Doesn’t mean I’m not opposed to a lunch though. It merely makes him null leaning town for me.

Granger, which is myself, was leaning scum to me because of inactivity but I can change that within the next few days.
I need to wait a bit because everyone else is null to me right now.

Everything is wrong here.

  • There was no scum between the 3 first named, those were simply the 3 active players so they were the easiest to point fingers at.

  • Defending their scum-partner Mara (ex-Sonar)

  • Pointing out their predecessor as scum-leaning while distancing themselves from that person at the same time

Now that we know Hika is scum, this initial read is incredibly discriminating.

Additionally, during day 1 Hika does not ever try to defend a townie that is being accused, they only ever defend Soner/Mara. They also point fingers at tupsu/abraker/fittan, the three most active and two most town-leaning players at that point. The one time they mention suspecting mara is here:

Hika wrote:

Also boat looks like a better lynch IMO l0l
I’m feeling boat or Mara rn.

At this point boat had considerable heat on him already, and was looking like the one that was getting lynched. Convenient time to try to distance from your scum partner, eh?

What I did

  • Started with RVing fittan, until abraker pointed a reasonable eought reason to drop that vote.

  • Defended Soner, or at least read them as townie/third party.

  • Pressured Multtari with an RV since he wasn't contributing much.

  • Started picking on abraker out of boredom, and because it felt like his overwhelming presence was skewing the entire game at this point. It didn't amount to much tbh, I got to explain myself a bit I guess.

  • Expressed my dissatisfaction with mara's delayed and shitty read, and laid my vote down on boat (based on an earlier post explaining why). Hika ended up voiting boat at the same time, so I felt the need to point out my vote was in fact an independent decision rather than bandwagoning. Probably didn't need to do that tbh.

  • Wrapped up the convo with abraker (as he died the following night) and commented on my role-leak since tupsu brought it up.

Generally my day one was spent just poking around, with not much central thought behind any of it. Just information hunting. Like I have said before, if losing 3 people on night 1 was a possibility that I had thought of, I'd have put more of an effort into day 1.

Night 1
Hika plots with mara, and they for some reason decide to go for a kill on abraker. Mara dies in the process.
I RNG-heal Mara, that falls through.

Day 2
What Hika did
As day 2 dawns, Hika finds themselves in a pretty shitty situation. Alone against 3 town, one of which they know to be a (nerfed) doctor. Hika goes into confusion/sheep mode. Tupsu posts a big wall of text that sets out to discriminate fitta, and does a good job at it. Hika follows up with:

Hika wrote:

To be fair, your post pretty much does it for me.
I need to hop on a computer so I can see if I can add anymore to this right now.

and after I pile up on fittan too:

Hika wrote:

ok well to be honest my reads are just genuinely fucked up and I am going to sheep whoever we’re voting
main reason being is that you all are bringing up pretty lit ass points

Hika then proceeds to role-claim:

Hika wrote:

I’m claiming VT by the way.

I’ll just claim first.

It's convenient to claim this, but it is in fact a pretty big mistake here: Hika knows my role. I have not role-claimed yet, nor have I hinted towards it in any way. The play here would have been to claim Faith Healer. Thank god Hika didn't do that. They're too scared at this point to make anything but the most inconspicious play.

As the day proceeds, fittan defends himself against our attacks and attacks me. fittan ends up role-claiming as Restess Spirit. Since Hika knows fittan is town, there's no reason for them to doubt this claim. Killing a Restless Spirit is also the worst possible outcome of day 2 for Hika, so they try for a desperate nonsensical defense of fittan:

Hika wrote:

Lynching fittan is dumb.
Why do I say that?
Because it makes you anti town when you could be just trying to focus down scum
because there is a chance that an NK is possible and fittan votes incorrectly

as I go on to point out later in the day, voting fittan is in fact the only acceptable play for town on day 2. Even fittan themselves realizes I'm right, and lynches himself.

Hika ends the day with a truly defeated-sounding message:

Hika wrote:

ok sorry

they are now entirely at the mercy of RNG, as my healing power will likely end up deciding the game the following night. Except that Hika played day 2 so poorly, that even though my heal failed, he's still easily pointed out as the true remaining mafia member of the game.

What I did
I was a bit late to the start of this day, tupsu's massive blame-post on fittan was already up and it was mostly what I had thought too plus a couple extra convincing points. Only one important (in my opinnion) part was missing from it, so I added it in. I did not place my vote on fittan yet, though, because on the off chance that he was innocent, Hika as the mafia would've gotten a free lynch on him with next to no info being gained on day 2 (the perfect result for Hika, who was in a bad spot after night 1 as pointed out earlier).

I then moved on to address Mara's shitty read from day 1, in preparation for the role-claiming that was now looming in the immediate future of this game. I intentionally went for a non-meta approach when analyzing his read, which seemed to confuse the playerbase. My goal was to point out that Mara's read was in fact thought out and not to be taken too lightly now that his true colors were shown. Lastly I point out that the lone living mafia member should by all means know my role, which I still strongly believe is the case. I brought it up here to later be able to point out how stupid it was from the mafia member to claim neutral townie when they knew the identity of an unclaimed townie already.

I then addressed fittan's attacks against me, pointing out his reads to be fundamentally wrong andtherefore of little signifigance. I also role-claimed here, since others were role-claiming and the mafia knew already anyways. Additionally, since fittan roleclaimed as a Restless Spirit, I placed my vote on him as he was now a 100% positive lynch to make.

Next I had to address tupsu's questions of my night actions, and my lack of effort in day 1. I spoke truthfully and bluntly here:

Lefafel wrote:

My prayers were on Mara last night. You can see how well that went. I don't even know what the interaction is when my target dies from his own actions, tbh. I just assumed I lost the roll, but maybe I didn't even get a roll.

as to why Mara, I honestly thought Soner was a townie or third party with some confusing role they misunderstood, and mara's so-called read kinda implied something similar. Some personal bias mght've been involved in that read too.

Lefafel wrote:

[relating to why no role breadcrumb]

Did not expect to be down to 4 people on day 2.

I also hadn't decided on what I was going to do on night 1 prior to the boat lynch.

Just general D1 laziness.

fittan proceeds to attack me one more time, Hika chimes in with some last ditch nonsense that just seems panicing at this point, I refute both of them and seal the day by pointing out how nonsensical it would be to not lynch fittan today. tupsu and fittan agree with me and lay their votes down on fittan (notice how Hika has fallen completely silent at this point! Giving up already?), and fittan is lynched and revealed as indeed being the Restless Spirit.

finally I point out what awaits us on day 3 if the 50/50 does not go town's way (which it didn't, since tupsu is dead), and Hika kills tupsu on night 2. Now the keys to the game lie firmly in fittan's hands. Make the right decision, please. The truth is obvious.

Vote: Hika

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